I mean.....what the hell?!! A mental health counsellor goes mental. Last I heard, 30 injured and 13 dead.

Now I am not prejudiced against Muslims, BUT, if I were in the military and scheduled for counselling....I would demand to know the religion of the person I have to sit down with. I would refuse to meet with any Muslim, unless armed guards are present at all times.

Sounds overboard? Well tell that to 30 injured and the families of the 13 murdered.

The FBI has been closely monitoring this sick piece of shit for almost half a year.

Can you say "LAWSUITS" boys and girls.

RIP to the poor murdered souls.
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Yep. Whether he was tied up to a terrorist group or not this is still terrorism.

And like you said he was under investigation for making remarks on the internet. He equated suicide bombers with marines diving on grenades to save their platoon mates.

What I don't get, as pointed out by a friend, is why they didn't just pull his certs to carry a weapon and ban him until he was cleared in an investigation? Makes no sense. Tragic day.
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Religion is always a delicate topic. I admire those who breathe religion without any extremes. Every single soul has its soothing comforts in whatever form, 'though it's often mistaken to be an excuse.

At times I wonder if the whole 'Recruit Katrina' remark about the 2005 Gulf-Coast Hurricane made by fundamentalist-sects is taken in a larger-persona, I mean what the Shit??? I feel there are expectations upon us as a Culture regardless, so Eff 'em.

I for one do not hold Pakistan at all responsible for this USARMY personell actions, however.

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS.

At 2:34 this afternoon, there will be a moment of silence observed by the U.S. military worldwide.

I read an official message that reads: President Obama has announced on CNN that flags are to be flown at half-mast.

Hey, you narcissistic one-term-and-done (many of us pray), you have something called the chain-of-command. Your generals and admirals must have CNN on to get your orders? What a tool.

*If you are Muslim and do work in counselling, now might be a good time to take a vacation. Lose the towel anyway.
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Unholy_Twist wrote:

Yep. Whether he was tied up to a terrorist group or not this is still terrorism. And like you said he was under investigation for making remarks on the internet. He equated suicide bombers with marines diving on grenades to save their platoon mates. What I don't get, as pointed out by a friend, is why they didn't just pull his certs to carry a weapon and ban him until he was cleared in an investigation? Makes no sense. Tragic day.

Try to be a bit better informed. It hasn't been proven that it was him who made those internet postings, it is still under investigation.
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Damage Jackal wrote:

Unholy_Twist wrote: Yep. Whether he was tied up to a terrorist group or not this is still terrorism. And like you said he was under investigation for making remarks on the internet. He equated suicide bombers with marines diving on grenades to save their platoon mates. What I don't get, as pointed out by a friend, is why they didn't just pull his certs to carry a weapon and ban him until he was cleared in an investigation? Makes no sense. Tragic day. Try to be a bit better informed. It hasn't been proven that it was him who made those internet postings, it is still under investigation.

I am ALWAYS better informed DJ. Notice I didn't say it was him and just that he was under investigation. Which is complete truth. And I stand by that since he was under said investigation then he should have had his certs pulled. It is generally SOP for the military to do such things for those types of investigations.
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Grit wrote:

I mean.....what the hell?!! A mental health counsellor goes mental. Last I heard, 30 injured and 13 dead.

yeah that was fucked up. base psychiatrist goes mental WTF.

and what about that muslim who ran over his own daughter with his car a week or so ago and killed her because he thought she was becoming "too westernised"? WTF is up with these people?

He was under investigation but the results released so far are that he was talking to an Extremist Imam in regards to a research paper.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091111/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_fort_hood_shooting

That doesn't take away form the fact he was mentally imbalanced and took many lives.

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It's impossible, Lois could never have Superman's baby. Do you think her fallopian tubes could handle his sperm? I guarantee he blows a load like a shotgun, right through her back. What about her womb, you think it's strong enough to carry his child?

Not sure if you are talking to me, but I will answer for myself. I would absolutely refuse to be counselled by a Muslim unless I had an armed guard. And I know for a fact that Muslim military members have refused to meet with Jewish counsellors....a documented fact. So I highly recommend military members not meet with them.

Had this been a Jew or a Christian (especially an Evangelical or Mormon), we would be bombarded with what a whacko nut job his religous ties are. Not in this incident though.

Hell, the media is even afraid to call him the shooter. Yeah, he is the "suspected shooter". Why he may not be the person that murdered 13 and wounded dozens. Maybe he was just an innocent bystander that was fingered because he is a Muslim.

I have two good friends that are Muslim. They said they would also refuse to meet with a Muslim counsellor. How about that shit?! They both believe that he is a nut job and that there are many radical terrorists similar to him......just they are waiting patiently for their time to uprise.

I wonder how many others that this murderer may have influenced.

They say he suffers from PTSD, yet he never deployed! Well, you all better stay the hell away from me. I do not suffer any ill effects from combat, but now I see that it is contagious. I'm a damn carrier of it now.
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I don't have a problem with anyone's religious choice. I don't have a problem with whatever one wants to call one's self. My only issue is with people who go around murdering people for a religious cause. Especially one that is not justified by their religious sect. Most Muslims don't believe in murder or with what Al Queda is doing. Atleast that is my understanding.
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Religion is always a delicate topic. I admire those who breathe religion without any extremes. Every single soul has its soothing comforts in whatever form, 'though it's often mistaken to be an excuse.

Unholy_Twist wrote:

I don't have a problem with anyone's religious choice. I don't have a problem with whatever one wants to call one's self. My only issue is with people who go around murdering people for a religious cause. Especially one that is not justified by their religious sect. Most Muslims don't believe in murder or with what Al Queda is doing. Atleast that is my understanding.

Ones being Muslim is not the capability for which this Fundamentalist activity occurs, but the radical Islam. I've been told literal 'Islam' is literal as 'to submit'.
I find this very incident chilling. I wrote above soon after I would not blame Pakistan for this incident. Pakistan was cited as to where the alleged suspect was re-converted to Islam. In that some sort of 'soul-searching' had transpired. This has been super-ceded with topical personification, and not just topical physical-location-temperament. I understand Palestine as the Country of Origin.
Whatever the case may be, the radical-cleric to which a years-worth of correspondence was penned by the alleged USArmy Major and noted by the Federal Bureau of Investigations had direct relationship with more than one of the September 11th 2001 parodists. That by itself tells me this investigation has it's own repercussions within Daily Briefings and Intelligence Estimates.

Grit wrote:

Not sure if you are talking to me, but I will answer for myself. I would absolutely refuse to be counselled by a Muslim unless I had an armed guard. And I know for a fact that Muslim military members have refused to meet with Jewish counsellors....a documented fact. So I highly recommend military members not meet with them.

it was a general comment but thanks for replying. I've never heard of Muslim Military members denying treatment from Jewish Military personnel. I don't disbelieve you, I've just never heard it. If you have a link i'd be more than glad to read it.

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Had this been a Jew or a Christian (especially an Evangelical or Mormon), we would be bombarded with what a whacko nut job his religous ties are. Not in this incident though.

All I've heard form the media is how Hassan was a religious nut job who had ties to 9/11 terrorists. its only recent that it was debunked. If it had been a White guy i doubt his religion would have played a part in the media coverage. I might be wrong though.

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Hell, the media is even afraid to call him the shooter. Yeah, he is the "suspected shooter". Why he may not be the person that murdered 13 and wounded dozens. Maybe he was just an innocent bystander that was fingered because he is a Muslim.

Where did you see this?

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I have two good friends that are Muslim. They said they would also refuse to meet with a Muslim counsellor. How about that shit?! They both believe that he is a nut job and that there are many radical terrorists similar to him......just they are waiting patiently for their time to uprise.

Are your Muslim friends in the military too?

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I wonder how many others that this murderer may have influenced.

Probably none being as he wasn't a radical fundamentalist.

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They say he suffers from PTSD, yet he never deployed! Well, you all better stay the hell away from me. I do not suffer any ill effects from combat, but now I see that it is contagious. I'm a damn carrier of it now.

I call bull on that too. He treated people with PSTD which i can understand listening to their stories would be a disturbing experience. This in itself would lead Hassan to not want to got to combat. He is a 20 year vet who has never been to war.

The fact is that his chain of command dropped the ball. It was made clear he was a psychological risk and many of his colleagues tried to put into motion that he be discharged. The command decided against it as it was too much of a hassle.
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Unholy_Twist wrote:

I don't have a problem with anyone's religious choice. I don't have a problem with whatever one wants to call one's self. My only issue is with people who go around murdering people for a religious cause. Especially one that is not justified by their religious sect. Most Muslims don't believe in murder or with what Al Queda is doing. Atleast that is my understanding.

Your understanding is correct
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It's impossible, Lois could never have Superman's baby. Do you think her fallopian tubes could handle his sperm? I guarantee he blows a load like a shotgun, right through her back. What about her womb, you think it's strong enough to carry his child?

Seatpost Charlie wrote:

Unholy_Twist wrote: I don't have a problem with anyone's religious choice. I don't have a problem with whatever one wants to call one's self. My only issue is with people who go around murdering people for a religious cause. Especially one that is not justified by their religious sect. Most Muslims don't believe in murder or with what Al Queda is doing. Atleast that is my understanding. Ones being Muslim is not the capability for which this Fundamentalist activity occurs, but the radical Islam. I've been told literal 'Islam' is literal as 'to submit'. I find this very incident chilling. I wrote above soon after I would not blame Pakistan for this incident. Pakistan was cited as to where the alleged suspect was re-converted to Islam. In that some sort of 'soul-searching' had transpired. This has been super-ceded with topical personification, and not just topical physical-location-temperament. I understand Palestine as the Country of Origin. Whatever the case may be, the radical-cleric to which a years-worth of correspondence was penned by the alleged USArmy Major and noted by the Federal Bureau of Investigations had direct relationship with more than one of the September 11th 2001 parodists. That by itself tells me this investigation has it's own repercussions within Daily Briefings and Intelligence Estimates.

read my link. his correspondence with Al Awlaki was purely in a professional context.
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It's impossible, Lois could never have Superman's baby. Do you think her fallopian tubes could handle his sperm? I guarantee he blows a load like a shotgun, right through her back. What about her womb, you think it's strong enough to carry his child?

Is anyone trying to defend this prick?

It sounds like someone on here is. Let's look at the facts.

He's a Muslim

He killed a bunch of people in a suicide attempt
(YES SUICIDE KILLING! He's a Major in the Army, he would know that if you
go into a crowded auditorium on the base and start shooting, he would expect to be killed himself)

Sounds like the middle east to me.

PTSD? No, I have PTSD, and if I was near area this SOLDIER was at, I would have been holding his wind pipe in my left hand after the first shot.

ProbotSDMF wrote:

read my link. his correspondence with Al Awlaki was purely in a professional context.

Your link is says nothing to me. In fact I'd really be more careful in the near-future with how you purge information.

If you are so cock-sure then, present for those of us here anything substantiating this subjects ties to said Cleric being totally un-compromised. Address it just to me, even. I say that because I know you will be totally unable.

The Muslims who refused to meet with a Jewish counsellor were part of an EEO complaint. It didn't make any headlines.

The 2 Muslims who agree with my take on refusing counselling from another Muslim are both in the military and good bros of mine. They are both enlisted and are E-7 and E-8.

And I have not yet heard any negative comments as to the "suspected" shooter's religion.

Not up for any debate with anyone on this. Just saying what is happening and not happening. A lot of heads should roll on this incident.

I am curious to see how they will cover the next mass murder by a U.S. military Muslim.
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Seatpost Charlie wrote:

ProbotSDMF wrote: read my link. his correspondence with Al Awlaki was purely in a professional context. Your link is says nothing to me. In fact I'd really be more careful in the near-future with how you purge information. If you are so cock-sure then, present for those of us here anything substantiating this subjects ties to said Cleric being totally un-compromised. Address it just to me, even. I say that because I know you will be totally unable.

I have no idea what happened with the link. But thats not the article i read or was linking too. I have the same link in my Bookmarks and its linking to a new article.

Here is what i was referring too.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ihGepAkECGoDagETVBMpPb3w7Y3gD9BT41QO0

If you have a link that contest this and has proof that Hassan was conspiring with terrorists i'd love to see them. I'm not saying that in a cocky way or to be a prick, i'd love to see them, as of yet I've not seen anything concrete that links him to terrorism. Other than he emailed this Imam Anwar Al Awlaki.

Bullseye wrote:

Is anyone trying to defend this prick? It sounds like someone on here is. Let's look at the facts. He's a Muslim He killed a bunch of people in a suicide attempt (YES SUICIDE KILLING! He's a Major in the Army, he would know that if you go into a crowded auditorium on the base and start shooting, he would expect to be killed himself) Sounds like the middle east to me. PTSD? No, I have PTSD, and if I was near area this SOLDIER was at, I would have been holding his wind pipe in my left hand after the first shot.

I'm not trying to defend him.

He killed 13 Americans who were intent on defending their country. Nidal Hasan is a traitor and a murderer.

What i am defending is Islam and the millions of Muslim Americans who reside here. I don't believe he was in cahoots with any extremists. If i see credible information that contradicts that then i'll gladly rescind my opinion.
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Grit wrote:

The Muslims who refused to meet with a Jewish counsellor were part of an EEO complaint. It didn't make any headlines.

i don't doubt that it happened some Muslims are very Anti Semetic.

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The 2 Muslims who agree with my take on refusing counselling from another Muslim are both in the military and good bros of mine. They are both enlisted and are E-7 and E-8.

Why won;t they see a Muslim counselor? Its not that i don't believe you, i'm just curious.

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And I have not yet heard any negative comments as to the "suspected" shooter's religion.

Really? I've heard some comments on FOX that related to his religion. Namely the Bill O Reilly show.

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Not up for any debate with anyone on this. Just saying what is happening and not happening. A lot of heads should roll on this incident. I am curious to see how they will cover the next mass murder by a U.S. military Muslim.

Thats cool. I think some of the higher up in the command structure might get disciplined for this for missing the signs.

How many more incidents involving Muslim Military personnel do you anticipate happening?
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It's impossible, Lois could never have Superman's baby. Do you think her fallopian tubes could handle his sperm? I guarantee he blows a load like a shotgun, right through her back. What about her womb, you think it's strong enough to carry his child?